Engage Podcast With John Van Citters – The Fan Film Guidelines

This is a work in progress and has taken me well over 25 hours to transcribe and triple check, however, If you find anything completely out of place, then please let me know and I will amend as soon as possible.

My aim here is to make sure that EVERYONE has access to the podcast even if you do not want to listen to it.

John is a great man and he is here to help US! all make the best fan films we can make and in this podcast is shows just how much he cares.

To listen to the podcast click <> HERE <> go to  Episode 5: About Those Fan Film Guidelines… June 28, 2016

If you do not fancy listening to it then read the transcript and enjoy.
 

Key Time Indexes


INTRO >>

{}Jordan {}

I am your host Jordan Hoffman and with me, today back in the booth is Brian who is not his usual post we are not on deck 44 today we’re on deck 46 today for a very special episode of engage the official Star Trek podcast. big news in Star Trek vile last week as even this morning big news Rihanna is doing a song for the soundtrack to Star Trek beyond and it is not called “Targ better have my Latinum” that’s a joke if you like Star Trek jokes it’s not called that it’s called sledgehammer and it’s a song that I heard actually I didn’t even really get a chance to hear because I’ve been very busy because it’s a big week and Star Trek and I want to cut right down to it we have a guest today very special guests fellow by the name of {JVC} John Van Citters in Los Angeles who’s beaming in on subspace so the reason we’ve got John here is this and this is no secret anybody who’s following news uh this week for the first time ever Star Trek has released “Guidelines” for fan films some of you listening know exactly what I’m talking about and some people might say what the heck is a fan film and why the heck do we need Guidelines.

Time Index – 00:02:15

{} Jordan {}

Well a fan films what it sounds like fan fiction but filmed or in this case videotape and how to do it the right way but why does it need to be a right way the wrong way well as a fan myself and someone who you know I’m not an employee of CBS technically and you know I enjoy looking at when I go to conventions the most fun thing I see our when people dress up in costumes they create a character either one out of their own head or they create the most lifelike Cardassian costume I’ve ever seen it’s the most exciting thing that I see I think we all know that what we love about Star Trek is the is the enthusiasm of the fans but there was a situation recently that is not a secret that is an ongoing litigation that’s happening right now between Star Trek and a particular fan production since it is ongoing litigation and I am not privy to those facts I don’t know anything about it on of a kind of granular level so to speak but I do know that it put a us! In a place that isn’t too isn’t the greatest in terms of being a Star Trek fan it’s not cool to have Star Trek and lawsuits in the same breath and what we’ve got now is a situation that I think is really terrific John and his group in LA have created a set of Guidelines that I think will prevent this from ever happening again and in time when the dust settles we were recognized that this is actually a fantastic thing that’s happened for fans and for fan films and for creativity and for Star Trek now when everybody anybody hears the rules they call man rules who wants rules I don’t want rules so initially there may be some scepticism frankly when I first read the rules I was like I have that one of the lake sense and where everyone doesn’t make sense but I had a conversation with John and John shed some light on it so I’m just kind of a neutral party here I don’t make Star Trek fan films you do what you got to do but I said to myself I think will be really great if John can come on this show and sort of explain what went into making these guidelines more than just you know putting up a blog post and having these guidelines be out there some thought that went behind each one explain them a little more nuanced into the conversation and then I think you’re going to come away with more of an understanding of went behind making these guidelines and that is what I wanted to do today so that’s what’s going to happen John are you out there.

{} JVC {} I’m here

{} Jordan {}

Awesome John is you prepared to discuss this

Time Index – 00:05:07

{} JVC {}

I’m definitely prepared to discuss this

{} Jordan {}

You were born prepared But before you do that who the heck are you John people know who I on the loud mouth behind the podcast who is John Van Citters what makes him tick what makes his warp core engine what makes the intermix chamber in his warp core engine overheat tell us a little bit about yourself

{} JVC {}

You’re pushing really hard for the metaphor there

{} Jordan {} I know I know

Time Index – 00:05:35 – WHO IS JOHN VAN CITTERS

{} JVC {}

Who am I, I’m pretty much a lifelong Star Trek fan who is lucky enough to have what I consider to be about the greatest job in the world. I’ve been around long enough to remember Star Trek when it was on prime time I very faint distant memories of that time I grew up in the seventies coming home after school and watching it I in the afternoons very angry when you know “Turnabout Intruder” was invariably on or “The Alternative Factor” and not “Mirror Mirror” “Amok Time” was not even more upset when the local TV affiliate decided to take it off in the afternoons

{} Jordan {}

Is it “Amok Time” or “Amok Time?”

{] JVC {}

It’s whatever the individual fan wishes to say it is what I’ve figured out over the years

{] Jordan {}

But like you know you don’t get it I was watching “Corbomite Manoeuvre” the other day and he says this is bear lock and then McCoy comes on the bridge and he says Balok message was heard all throughout the ship he just said Balok seconds ago and now he said, Balok.

{} JVC {}

But is not what’s great about Star Trek is there are all these little idiosyncrasies where you know I mean or

{} Jordan {}

Opening scene of Wrath of Khan he says this is the Kobayashi Maru emphasis on MA! two seconds later Saavik says Kobayashi Maru what’s going on there if we can get that setup how we nowhere

{} JVC {}

literally in the original series I could never decide if it was screens or shields that they were raising an all of that’s great you know I love Star Trek growing up I getting you know Bjo Trimble’s Concordance the Franz Joseph’s Technical Manuals and Enterprise blueprints and those things just like absolutely hooked me on Star Trek having to stay up late to see it at on Friday and Saturday nights after the local news when they when they took it off the airing the afternoons was terrible because then if I missed an episode that I hadn’t seen yet or really wanted to see it could be a year before I’d see it again if not years depending on how schedules ran this is there was no streaming there was no there were no video tapes at that time it was it was it was a terribly dark time.

{} Jordan {}

Sounds like our it was a horror

{} JVC {}

It was a horror you’re much younger so you didn’t have to face the same horrors that I did

{} Jordan {}

Well maybe that’s true maybe that’s true

Time Index – 00:08:13

{} JVC {}

But ultimately I was lucky enough to get which you know you asked me who I am and what I do I’m vice president of product development for CBS I’m we do the licensing for Star Trek and I’ve been lucky enough to be doing that first for Paramount and then with CBS for almost 18 years now I’ve had an incredible amount of opportunity to work with anything and everything related to Star Trek and it’s been a spectacular ride but at the at the base of it all I’m a fan I’m a huge huge fan of Star Trek I’m thrilled today that I get to be here talking about Star Trek and someone will actually listen to what I’m saying about Star Trek which is pretty cool because most of the time my wife my kids will just kind of roll their eyes when I Started on it and I don’t blame them but it’s terrific so that’s you know a little bit about Who I am and

{} Jordan {}

I but it wasn’t you went into life thing I want to work for Star Trek you were working in business and it sort of just it was like those time Eddie’s in “City on the Edge of Forever” it was like a natural thing that had to happen it was it was bringing you to Star Trek was not just the guy

{} JVC {}

I spent most of my career before Star Trek working in the music industry and then immediately before getting hired at Paramount I had worked editing sales collateral materials for a large medical insurance company that was not quite as much fun to it was close

{} Jordan {}

Not the tricorder but something much less alright so I and you say you done this for 18 years now

{} JVC {}

Almost 18 years yes my I’ll hit 18 years this November

{} Jordan {}

And you’ve been involved so what is a day to day I mean I sort of know this because of my you know I’ve known you for a little while but beat your position is you’ve got your fingers in a little bit of everything if there’s a new Star Trek book I like a novel or one of the fun books like we have with Rob Portman last week or the comics I mean you are not involved so much as well you tell me how does your interaction what it was how would you describe what it is what you do that sort of involved in all these products as well as the toys and you know Pizza cutters and things like that what.

{} JVC {}

The thing that I really love about the job is that there are absolutely no two days that are alike in years I’ve never been over into a recording studio at CBS  to do a podcast this is a brand-new interesting day for me I some days I am sitting at a desk looking at a ton of t-shirt designs and cell phone cases and mugs and things like that there are other days where I get to do some pretty amazing things and it’s an incredible honour to do  day when Alan Dean Foster was working on the novelization of “Star Trek Into Darkness” was his chauffeur in LA and got to pick him up at the airport and take him over to bad robot where he got seen early cut of the movie and I had breakfast with them and talked a lot about his work over the years and it was it was just an incredible day to get to speak to an author of that magnitude about his work and how he approaches everything.

{} Jordan {}

And there is a so Star Trek of the will license itself out to people who are making official toys official costumes and your job to a certain extent is some of this is a once a quality control but you’re just kind of making sure that things are it true to the Star Trek vibe and you gave me an example and kind of leads to what we’re going to talk about with fan films of a time when you were reading some books a book proposal and you had to step in and say no that’s not what Wesley Crusher does no that’s not what you know it’s um it’s um you people who’s in charge of making sure well actors.

{} JVC {} – Nb: Example of Guideline 7 

Let’s be clear part of part of what I do on a day-to-day basis is exercised my childhood demons in the fact that in the nineteen seventies you couldn’t get a decent phaser toy I something that looked like a pistol and shot little plastic discs was not really inappropriate phaser in my mind so now I get to get to play a role in correcting that and that’s amazing but yes I definitely do I essentially quality control for Star Trek trying to make sure that things are appropriate to Star Trek and appropriate to the universe as well as not reflecting badly on Star Trek and the creation that we all love that you know what Gene Roddenberry set out to do and that so many other creators over the years have set up in the shows, the example that we have discussed was we had gotten a novel and in that novel there was a scene where you had Wesley Crusher with his new found traveller powers getting very angry with someone and actually reaching into their chests and pulling out their still-beating heart that’s not really in character for Wesley.

{} Jordan {}

It’s got your rainbow sweater minute messy

{} JVC {}

it will it’ll stain it’s kind of like gravy it doesn’t come out so easy but that’s it that’s not appropriate to the character you do something like that in and it becomes very hard to redeem who that is so we want to make sure that we ‘re working with the licensees and in this case with the with the authors and everything else do okay why are you approaching it this way that’s not really appropriate for the character what can we do to alter that and not impact the story are trying to tell negatively but also not negatively impact the characters that are absolutely beloved by people all over the world.

{} Jordan {}

right right which leads us to the point of things fan films, what you’re talking about is officially licensed quote unquote work somebody out there that wants to do the Wesley Crusher story their way he had nothing to do with you guys that is a totally different ball of wax as they say well at my bag of self-sealing stem bolts so what I which leads us to guidelines for fan films I let’s just sort of cut to the chase and say why now and what is the impetus of putting up.

Time Index –00:15:01 – Why Guidelines – Why NOW!?

{} JVC {}

What we’ve seen an explosion of fan films in recent years and we know that these come from averting a place of a very deep love for Star Trek and the  technological advances that have happened in the last years have enabled fans to tell their stories with more ease and more detailing and do some really amazing things and for many years we’ve used a simple guideline both the CBS and Paramount and in you know cooperation on this which is as Star Trek fan film is a is a is a fan creation that’s non-commercial while we thought that this was simple enough and help filmmakers understand the separation that we need to keep between professional content and fan films it’s becoming increasingly clear that not everyone is understood where that line is between non-commercial and our professional efforts and we decided to issue a set of guidelines that that should help give some shape to this and standardize our approach and the approach that fans can take to non-commercial fan generated content.

Now I’ve seen some muttering online about this that the guidelines are you know how this is this is intended to end fan films that are not the case at all that’s not what we’re trying to do here they’re not intended and fan films but with the explosion of crowdfunding abuses have very definitely crept into the process for many it became more about the item that you were donating to get then it was about supporting a fan production for its own sake the production Started spiralling larger and larger there’s something of an arms race about how many Hollywood names could be attached how many people that have previously worked on Trek how many famous actors could you involve and that’s not really in the spirit of fan fiction, not the not the fan fiction that I grew up with and that many people I grew up with which was more.

{} Jordan {}

Would you say that it can even sort of creating a barrier of entry for people who wanted to?

{} JVC {}

I’ve spoken with some people in including some people that have been involved preferably with fan films that that it that it has created a bit of a barrier of entry to some people because they’re Star Trek fans all over the world and they don’t necessarily have the ability to access Hollywood actors and people, and even meet people that have worked on Trek unless they are able to travel to one of the larger conventions so for a lot of people they felt like well I, I can’t get at this actor that actor I can’t get these people to tell my story I don’t know if I should bother I because I just can’t compete on the level that these other guys are playing at and that’s that’s unfortunate because regardless of what someone else is doing I would think it  would be great for fans to show their  passion, however, that is,

At Star Trek  Star Trek Las Vegas in  the costume contest last year we  Started offering a you know different  levels for the for the costume contest  because there are a lot of people that  were intimidated by the amazing costumes  that you see in there like I don’t know  if I want to enter the costume contest  I’m just going to get killed by this guy  that’s been working on this Borg for 10 years,

{} Jordan {}

Right and what’s unfortunate is that sometimes some of the most creative ideas actually

{} JVC {}

They come from anywhere

{} Jordan {}

Right -they- I know the guy I know some of these Borgs  who come every year they’re amazing they  work in the garage a year and they are  absolutely remarkable and they have  discretionary income and they’ve got the  time and they make it and it’s beautiful  and then somebody will have a very sort  of ah fun metaphorical almost like Wow  why didn’t I think of that but very  simple costume and it’s not a level  playing field well I would not say a level playing field but  it’s great that you have the different  categories for those different  costumes

{} JVC {}

I’m going to go to the  Ratatouille card here since that’s one  of my favourite Pixar movies but the  idea that anyone can cook  that you can get great things from  any corner and I truly  believe that about Star Trek fandom  we’ve got fans all over the globe in  every corner that you can imagine and  they have some terrific ideas and inspirations I want to see more fans  involved and I think the guidelines that  we that we have will make it easier for  more people to enter it will make it  easier for more people to complete films  with the shorter length that’s involved and we won’t see things spiralling off into the direction of how  many cool t-shirts or ships or things like that can I get for donating instead  of donating just because this person has a great idea for a film and I want to  see that story on screen.

Time Index – 00:20:00

{} Jordan {}

So I’m before  we get into the nitty-gritty of some of  the questions uh some more sort of a  larger questions did you just how did  you decide on the specifics of the  guidelines  I mean I you know what went into making  it happen to be  so they do you want  to call them to ten commandments go  right ahead but when you when you came  down from the mountaintop you know how did how did coming up with these 10 work out

{} JVC {}

Well a lot of consideration when into this I know people are quick to believe that the this is something that was dashed off hastily but that’s not the case at all we’ve made an effort here to  ENCOURAGE FANS! and to provide an outlet  for fans and to do so in a way that also  doesn’t infringe on the copyrights of  Star Trek or directly compete with  the efforts of either Paramount or CBS  or the who do on the rights to Star Trek  and there’s also a great many people who  have worked on Star Trek over the  decades and they have a bit of a  that they’ve got a bit of a stake in all  of this as well I’m I’m incredibly  fortunate to be a part of this amazing  thing called Star Trek but the way I  approach it that’s it I’m a caretaker as  long as I’m in the position it’s my job  to work  with Star Trek and trying every single  day to leave it a little bit better than  I found it when I took over and if I can add the legacy of Star Trek and even a  small way that’s something I’m  incredibly proud of and that’s  the way so many people that have worked  on Star Trek over the years and so many  of these amazing people that I’ve been  able to work with on different things  whether it’s the Mike and Denise Okuda on  the Star Trek encyclopaedia or Rick  Sternbach on tech manuals and things  like that it’s just an amazing  opportunity for all of us to try and  create something that goes beyond what  we see on the show but we all feel an  incredible responsibility to represent Star Trek properly and like I said to  leave it better than then we found it

Fanfiction, Fan Productions  they may involve incredibly complex  issues so are our discussions and in  getting to this involved people in a  number of areas it both Paramount and  CBS we both have a stake in Star Trek  how it’s presented and we have  obligations both to the fans as well as  to the company to protect the value of Star Trek and preserve the  value of Star Trek for future  generations and keep that value as  high as possible so that enables us to do things like this amazing new show  that’s coming from Bryan Fuller I  can’t even tell you how thrilled I am  about what’s in the works for that and a  lot of emphasis for this frankly came  from what we’ve seen happening with fan  films in recent years and it what we felt needed to be done in order to protect fan films for the long term and  that seems a little counterintuitive  that putting some form of what people  are considering to be restrictions on  fan creativity but it’s  something that needed to be done in order to cure some abuses that are that have been out there and to kind of  refocus this around the fan experience and around creating more stories rather than this kind of arms race about talent and fundraising

{} Jordan {}

And budget  also in the been sort of bloat if you  will about a project that goes you know  just keeps it keeps raising money keeps  raising money and never actually gets  anywhere  um yeah I know you’re a CBS employee so  you can’t comment on this but from my  point of view there are other franchises  that there are very few franchises  there’s  only two now franchises that have any  sort of guidelines in Star Wars and Star  Trek

{} JVC {}

That’s Correct

{} Jordan {} – {Star Wars Fan Contest} 

if um if you want to make a Batman film you can do it and put it online either know and what will happen is you either nobody will say anything or if it goes too far you’ll get a cease and desist from whoever owned the IP that or whatever it is and it’s kind of the wild west with Star Wars there is something called the FAN FILM CONTEST and they do have limitations and restrictions that as far as far as I can see are significantly!  Less lenient than the guidelines that you’ve positioned is that is that fair to say


Full Star Wars Rules can be found in this PDF > starwarsawardrules <


{} JVC {}

That is a is a fair thing to  say the “Star Wars Fan Film Awards”, the fan film contest limits the film to 5 minutes or under that certainly makes the dealing with the judging in a  contest and everything else far far easier to do I and there are a lot of restrictions in what you can do with  the film and in who can work on the film  etc what we’re doing is trying to  create a set of guidelines that are out  there and enable people to know if we stick within these we’re in not we’re  not going to hear from CBS we’re not  going to hear from Paramount we have  nothing to worry about.

{} Jordan {}

Would you correct me if I’m wrong like I  said earlier the last thing that you  guys want to do is get involved in any  litigation with any fan film

Time Index – 00:25:40

{} JVC {}

We  absolutely consider a lawsuit to be our  last resort that’s the last thing that we ever want to get into  that’s it’s definitely not where we want  to hit it at

Time Index – 00:26:02 – NOT removing old films

{} Jordan {}

So a couple of questions  that I got via Facebook when I mentioned  that we will be talking to you and I  just sort of that particular thing and  I’m going to try to answer them and you  tell me if I’m right or wrong number one  was the most common question was there are a lot of fan films that are out  there that do not meet the current guidelines they already exist there on  the internet people like them are you  going to chase them down and tell them  to remove from the internet.

{} JVC {}

Absolutely not!

{} Jordan {}

OK that answers at least fifty percent of all the questions I’ve got and they have named my name if you want you can even you know what these are

Time index – 00:26:30

{} JVC {}

Fan films that are already out there and there’s a long and rich history of Star Trek fan productions  we’re not then there’s definitely ones  that exceed the length requirement and  exceed do you know requirement of  you know not having professional Trek actors and things like that those are those were not going and chasing things  down retroactively we’re not going to  be contacting  YouTube or internet service providers and trying to you know  scrub the internet of the fan Star Trek  that is not the intent of this anything  that is already out there will remain  out there we have no intention of taking  anything down.

{} Jordan {}

While we’re going through  questions here John uh two quickies there was a guy who  contacted me again there everybody’s got  like these weird little I situations but  then one first person who did a fan film years ago and he just remastered it and he raised money but it’s longer than 30 minutes and it was just about to put  it online and now he’s worried that he  won’t be in compliance is this somebody  who needs to worry or this one’s you  know

Time Index – 00:27:30 – Active from June 2016 only!

{} JVC {}

These guidelines are meant for films on an on a going forward basis I if this is a film that’s already been existence before the fact that he’s you know remastering it to it to repost it in better quality that’s  not an issue for us.

{} Jordan {}

OK that’s what I figured now also let’s say somebody raises their money big follow the rules they shoot it they cut it they got it ready to go there are about to put it up on streaming platform do they contact you to view and send for review or, no I mean they just do it and I mean you’re not reviewing each of these are you?

Time Index – 00:28:10 – CBS is not reviewing fan films.

{} JVC {}

NO where we’re not reviewing your script we’re no reviewing your ideas were not reviewing your casting we’re not reviewing your creativity if you are done with your film and you feel if it’s within the guidelines and you’re happy with where it’s at and you have no more editing tweaks to make on it please by all means get out there to your public when your film is done your films done we don’t we don’t need to have you send it in and have us look at it  and make sure every element that you’ve  done it’s like Oh what do you do for that phaser yeah we’re not looking to micromanage what you do.

{} Jordan {}

So if somebody makes a new film and is in compliance with the guidelines put it online they will never hear from you if they’re  doing it right the only thing they’ll  hear from you is if you love it and say oh my god that was a great episode.

Time Index – 00:29.03

{} JVC {}

If they do it great they may hear from us and like a that was awesome but now I’m

{} Jordan {}

But they don’t hear that they shouldn’t feel offended

{} JVC {}

The idea is to make this simple and seamless

{} Jordan {}

Some of  those bigger productions a handful of them I have been in touch with them and without getting into the specifics about what they’re sort of forwarding plans are it’s not like you’re springing  a surprise on them nor they spring a  surprise on you is that correct

Time Index – 00:29:30 – Case by Case Basis.

{} JVC {}

That’s correct and we have had a  long history with fan  productions and fan initiatives of  various kinds where were very much eager  to have fans involved in Star Trek I’m  not sure what the best way to  elucidate on all this is but we want  fans involved very much so we just want  them all involved in the right way  that’s going to be best for fandom as a  whole is going to be best for Star Trek  as a whole and is going to help us  evolve and bring Star Trek to a to a  bigger and brighter future.

We do treat every use of our IP on a  **case by case**   basis we do not like paint  with a big broad brush and tar and feather everything in a specific way  just because that is the most expedient  we have been in contact with different  fan film groups over the years as well  as recently I’ve had in the past week a couple of groups have reached out to me  looking for clarification hopefully what  I’m able to do today will provide some  of that in answering some of the  questions.

Time Index – 00:30:55

{} Jordan {}

I mean there’s even one there’s one particular production that people really like that they are on there you know changing things in order to keep going but to be in compliance with the guidelines changing names changing you know titles things of that nature is that fair to say.

{} JVC {}

Yeah over the weekend I saw reports that Star Trek Renegades had opted instead to a shifting course from what they  were doing and turn their turn  their plant film into their own a unique  in original direction and try and sort  of spinoff from what they had  originally created into their own unique  and original IP I that’s great I  encourage fans also to you know to express  their love for Star Trek by you  know creating their own worlds I think  that’s a terrific thing to do  I bend and ultimately much easier for them.

{} Jordan {}

Well, when George Lucas couldn’t get a really good Flash Gordon he made Star Wars right.

{} JVC {}

Absolutely and there’s a whole lot less cannon that you have to worry about that we’re now isn’t there a few creating your own.

{} Jordan {}

Which is not to say that is what if you want to do your own 15 minute thing God bless but if you want to do something else that but we don’t you talk about encouraging fans and I know that this you can’t get too specific about it but can you talk a little bit about what you’ve done with fans with regard to artwork and fiction.

Time Index – 00:32:27

{} JVC {}

What well what  yeah any you know it’s easy to  think that Star Trek is lately as is all  you know in terms of fan initiatives is all about fan films and that’s not it at all we’ve long encouraged fan creativity and in fan participation and Star Trek it gives that fan fiction gives  room for a lot of amateur voices to  express themselves through Star  Trek we’ve done that in a variety of  formats over the years we’ve had the “Strange New Worlds” fan fiction contest  with Simon & Schuster which we initiated  bringing back for the 50th Anniversary  and just announced the winners of  that recently two years ago we had a fan  art contest for our ships of the line  calendar now we didn’t run the contest  where it’s been  we’re going to turn over one image of  one month of the calendar to one winner  we turned the entire calendar over to  fan artwork and every image that’s in  it was created by a fan  we’ve had multiple contest to design Star Trek ships that have created  memorable designs both for Simon &  Schuster and in terms of the design of  the USS Titan and for the Enterprise F  that’s been featured in Star Trek Online  and we got some amazing work for  that and what’s great about it is we’ve  discovered some new talent we could  have easily gone two very talented ship designers that we know Rick Sternbach and John Eaves and Doug Drexler and  they could whip something out easily but  we thought with those things wouldn’t be  great have a fan have the opportunity to  do this and we got some you know  different looks at things and I’m  incredibly proud of that record and  let’s not forget some Star Trek  was the last show in Hollywood that  still had an open script submission  policy even while I was still at the  studio anybody could send in a spec script and it would get read and it would  get evaluated and people had an opportunity to have their voice heard  and get consideration and that’s  an amazing thing about Star Trek.

Time Index – 00:34:44- Audio Dramas

{} Jordan {}

Another question that I got which I think the answer is pretty straightforward is somebody was saying well we’re recording on a long form radio play do they count or is it film only I think the answer is no right?

{} JVC {}

no if it’s an audio drama they definitely do not qualify under this these are fan film guidelines and films only but that does include also animation anything visual yes

{} Jordan {}

Yeah I think there was some confusion about that

{} Jordan {}

Yeah if it’s a visual representation of Star Trek that way that would that would qualify as a film animation computer animation etc

Time Index – 00:35:30 – Time Length 3

{} Jordan {}

There was somebody else that asked  uh 15 minutes for the film does that  include the credits and tell me if the  answer is right the answer is yes but  now like if you’re if it comes to   minutes and  seconds  fine but go for  minutes right I mean  like these are doing shave it down

{} JVC {}

These are guidelines there they  are intended to be something that gives structure and lets people know that these the limits they can operate within where they know they’re not going  to get a knock on the door well we don’t  we don’t go house to house anyway I  there they’re not going to hear from us  they’re not going to get a phone call  they’re not going to get an email  they’re not going to get anything that  is going to ruin their day one  way or another and in and make them you know feel bad or like they’ve done  anything wrong that their guidelines I we’re not we’re not going to be able  to provide the level of feedback that’s  like you know I got this really great  scene but if I include this scene or  this one really cool shot  I don’t want to cut anything else from  it’s going to make the film  minutes  and  seconds what do I do that’s  up to you and your you know  creative decisions were not looking to  get into that were not approving any  material where we don’t want to get  involved in your script choices your costume choices

Time Index – 00:35:45 – license

{} Jordan {}

You’re coz you’re not licensing these things are unlicensed things it’s it’s up to the individual but these are guidelines

{} JVC {}

But we what we’re  asking for here honestly is we’re  asking for a level of cooperation from fandom themselves we-we have, I have responsibility everyday with  what comes across my desk to to look at  it and make sure that it properly  respect Star Trek that are properly pays  tribute to Star Trek that it properly  represents what people love about Star  Trek and what we feel very much that  that is what fans need to do with these  films that are a responsibility that we  that we all share in and as long as you’re representing Star Trek  appropriately and you’re doing it within  these guidelines where there are no issues  whatsoever

Time Index – 00:37:42

{} Jordan {}

A couple of other a key questions that came up a lot I don’t know I forgot myself I’m yes ok the money the dough right love this comes down a dough grand is the amount of the limit for raising money over you know these crowdsourcing platforms like Indiegogo and Kickstarter if you have a rich uncle and that rich uncle wants to give you a million dollars that’s not what you’re talking about here you’re talking about raising money over crowdsourcing is that correct?

Time Index – 00:38:12

{} JVC {}

We’re specifically talking about crowdfunding campaigns if you’ve got you know a rich Uncle Alfred who wants to you know throw  two hundred thousand dollars at you, it’s  like we’re not we’re not looking  we’re not looking at that where-where  we’ve seen problems creep in is with  large large crowdfunding campaigns with  a great deal of rewards involved in it  to where people are like donating the  money because they’re going to get a  cool piece of merchandise rather than  because they want to support a really  cool fan project

{} Jordan {}

right right and so  that’s where the number comes in because  that’s the number that you feel once it  reaches that threshold after that it Starts getting a little weird and the  producers Starts

{} JVC {}

It does and also I feel you  know strongly $50.00, where you’re  talking about  minutes should be able  to go fairly far all of this is definitely a conversation we hope  that we hope very much that this helps  kind of settle things with Star Trek fan  films that provide some clarity for  everybody and that we can see what is  working and what’s not working in and we  can we can we can follow up accordingly  with that I where WERE NOT! ISSUING THESE AS YOU KNOW FAN FILM LAWS these are  fan film GUIDELINES and when we want  people very much to operate within these  and respect both us and-and Star Trek as a whole  $50.000, over 15 minutes when people have  been used to seeing you know eighty thousand dollars spent  for a 45 minute episode or a hundred thousand dollars or a hundred fifty thousand dollars spent it to create  something much longer, for 15  minutes should go pretty far we’ve seen  we’ve seen some astonishing creativity  for even less money than this from  fan groups and I think this gives a target I know for Star Wars for anything I believe in their contest rules they don’t provide any guidance on money and for anything unofficial I believe they’ve said publicly that crowdfunding is forbidden we are  specifically allowing $50.000, of  crowdfunding

{} Jordan {}

Right right and that’s and then there’s also its 15 minutes and there is the option to do a part 2 if that’s the way if you must do that you have the option but that’s another that’s part of the 50.000, correct?

{} JVC {}

I believe 50.000, is available PER! 15 minutes

Time Index – 00:41:06 – Making or buying props

{} Jordan {}

OH OK now I the other thing that brought  up a lot of questions was regarding  costumes props and weapons things of  that nature that there’s  one of the guidelines states don’t have the  exact word in front of me I you know if  it is available through our license licensees the Licensors  then you know use that one

{} JVC {}

This is definitely an area of big big misconception

{} Jordan {}

Right because I was like hey if I want to make my own tricorder out of macaroni what the heck man I can do that right?

{} JVC {}

Jordan you are now committed to making a tricorder out of macaroni just so I can see it

{} Jordan {}

So can you can you shed a little light on that because that one did lead to some questions and I get it now you wake up you know Anovos one of your license makes gorgeous costumes but if somebody wants to make their own what do they do?

{} JVC {}

THEY MAKE THEIR OWN  Anovos is a is a terrific example  because this is a this is a company that  was Started by a couple of fans who did not yet even have an operating business  who did not yet have a license from  anybody else who came to us with a presentation and a plan and some samples of the quality of work that they felt  they could do and they have created a  business after that we looked at it  we were like yes let’s try this  they came out of fan ranks and they have spent over the years being a Star Trek license tens of thousands of dollars if not hundreds of thousands of dollars at this point in development for their products they make exceptionally good quality stuff that looks screen accurate  that that wears well that is nicely  tailored and you’ve seen the stuff at  conventions it looks amazing but so out of support for Star Trek we would ask people that if you are doing the fan film that you not purchase stuff from unlicensed bootleg operators who do not help support official Star Trek in and create a climate where we can get more Star Trek so we’re asking that if we have stuff commercially available that  you consider using that on your on your projects we do have great quality stuff available from vendors like Anovos from QMX  etc and we  would like you to respect that and support their investment into Star Trek and dedication to Star Trek many times their materials are going to be a perfect fit and provide a great and very accurate shortcut for you but we’re not  looking to inhabit fan creativity we’re not looking to limit what you can do on  your episode like well they don’t have an officially licensed original series silver Lemay environmental suits so what do I do? I guess I have to cut that from my story know what you have to do then  is get our somebody who’s really  talented they can make one and  that’s fine we’re not looking to inhibit  that we’re not looking to get rid of the DIY ethic of Star Trek fans

{} Jordan {}

And correctly wrong and then once you’ve made it you’re hoping that the person is not going to turn around and sell it as a perk in there

{} JVC {}

Well yes where were we were hoping  people aren’t going to decide hey I did  a really good job making that I’m going  to go into business I doing that but I  completely get that when I was a kid and 10 years old  11 years old and I’d see a  Star Trek episode with a really cool  thing in and I’d be digging through everything in the house and like now here’s an old wrapping paper tube if I  take that in this coat hanger and this  cut out this piece of cardboard and  spray paint it silver what can it can I  make this thing that I saw in the  episode and I get that that’s part  of the fun of Star Trek that you were  talking about the costuming that you see  at these conventions where you see if  people showing up as the crystalline  entity and that that’s amazing and  that’s wonderful  and by all means please keep that  part of Star Trek going we’re not trying  to inhibit that if there is the  opportunity to use official merchandise  we would ask the fans help support the  franchise that they love so much.


ADVERT BREAK


Time Index – 00:46:00 – Axanar and Time Length 2

{} Jordan {}

So now that these guidelines are out there a question some people want to know is does this mean that the litigation that’s  currently undergoing with the project known as AXANAR are is that done is the suit OR are these two things that are not connected?

{} JVC {}

These are these are two things that are separate as of right now the suit is active and I can’t comment on pending litigation that’s not appropriate I can confirm that we’re continuing to  discuss settlement with the people  behind acts and are the fan film guidelines are a separate issue it is  something that different fan groups have  approached us about and asked us for  over the years and we have provided that  right, provided that now this is an effort to give fans the clearest picture of a framework for fan fiction films separate from the litigation it’s something we’ve, I’ve been working on in aspect or another for some time I first Started  thinking about it and

what could  happen how could it work where we can  try and bring fan films into the fold in  a more official basis and we’ve  done that were the first media company  to do that they’re there is the fan film contest there have been rules in the  past that have only covered parody and  satire that’s not the type of  storytelling that Star Trek fans want to  do they don’t they  you know it’s fun to poke some fun at certain tropes from Star Trek but Star Trek fans want to celebrate they  want to extend that universe they want to tell their own stories in it and we  don’t want to we don’t want to limit it that way we want to provide basic a basic framework that says here’s what  you can do to keep yourself  as a non-commercial entity and uh respect Star Trek in the professional Star Trek that we are working on and be able to have hopefully a great deal of fun I think I think that you know  I’ve heard from a lot of people and seeing a lot of chatter online in recent days about the length  guideline and people feeling that that  is untenable and that they can’t tell  the Star Trek story in 15  minutes or 30 minutes  I think that’s a bit insulting to Star Trek and the creativity of the fans that  I’ve mountains to some of the fan filmmakers I’ve met the idea that that Star Trek is capable of only telling one type  or length of a story that that’s  kind of ludicrous there are there are dozens of winners of the “Strange New Worlds” fiction contest over the years  that would disagree since that’s a short  story contest we have fiction writers  that write epic multipart books and we  have fiction writers that write shorter  simpler eBook novellas in the comics we have an incredibly tight canvas to work with we’ve got  pages and we’re just sitting in word balloons right around   pages of artwork there’s not that much that that is that is on the pages and it  takes a great deal of editing and focus on what story you’re telling  in order to do that but it’s it’s very possible and Mike Johnson  and Scott and David Tipton and others that we’ve had working on the  comics have done a masterful job of that

Time index – 00:49:36 – Rule about family friendly

{} Jordan {}

There’s a guideline in there that says it’s the only one that talks about like what the create the creative angle and says that you don’t want anyone depicting illegal or illicit behaviour drug use so you know deviant sexual activity etc but the show you know the show does the show was pushed envelopes over the years the characters go to interesting places I mean you know “In the Pale Moonlight – Captain Sisko”

{} JVC {}

That’s pretty dark

{} Jordan {}

One could argue he would say the end justifies the means in certain cases and maybe you complicit in the murder of a Romulan I mean

{} JVC {}

That’s that one of my favourite Star Trek episodes you’re absolutely right and there’s you know  there’s there some episodes that talk about genocide you know there’s a  heavy-duty stuff on Star Trek so what can you shed a little light on that  guideline because that seems to perhaps be a little contradictory

{} JVC {}

Yeah it on  its surface it is but again this is a guideline this is this is not this is  not the hand of Q coming down and in and dictating what you can do in your story  and you have to submit it and we’re going to you know send it through standards and practices and make sure that everything complies perfectly where  were we are not looking to do that where we’re not looking to get in your  business creatively Star Trek is absolutely depicted things like that  this is intended as a guideline that’s also intended as a means to protect us  and to protect Star Trek from things that are that are that are not appropriate for it or not good for it I part of what made Star Trek successful is doing episodes the deal with drug addiction psychological  effects of torture you know thank goodness there’s only one light in here  and not for I but there’s a responsibility we have to Star Trek  and the this seems like a crazy thought on first blush what are you protecting  it from but it’s quite real and it’s one thing for official Star Trek which is  subject to internal review to handle those things appropriately but it’s  another one unofficial third parties may want to do something that that we find  unacceptable or damaging to a beloved character I mentioned the thing about  Wesley Crusher before I’ve, we’ve had stories come across our desk didn’t have involved a beloved captain abusing a child  or getting ready to whip a child it’s  like no that’s not going to happen I’m or you know behaving in and  out of character or you know misogynistic way or something like that  actions that are fundamentally against who those characters are and why  they’ve become beloved characters so we have to protect against that we’re not  looking to review scripts as I stayed or your story decisions but with that  freedom you have to understand comes a responsibility to treat Star Trek with  the respective to do and not do anything that negatively impact on Star Trek or its various elements if your material doesn’t negatively reflecting on Star Trek but can comments appropriately on  societal and social issues in the finest traditions of Star Trek episodes like in  the pale moon like are a good example there won’t be any issues and in fact  your episodes will be much better that they’ll definitely be better Star Trek  if you do use them to comment on those things and that’s going to necessitate depicting certain unsavoury things

{} Jordan {}

So I don’t so what your saying is  there’s not going to be a review board out there saying oh the way your version of Captain Kirk did that he wouldn’t really do with that way that’s not in  his character now you’re not talking that level of uh of review but you know

{} JVC {}

Only if you’re a licensed author as you will be subject to that level of review as and good and thank god you’re there we need you on that wall but I but you know I but having Captain Kirk doing something you know profane and what is profanity is a long conversation but I think we know when we say it doing something that’s totally out of character for some sort of shock value reason that’s and that isn’t parody that correcting from wrong is where you say no these are these are Star Trek characters and we have to protect them

{} JVC {}

If you do something that’s going to be  damaging to the fundamental character of the Star Trek of beloved characters  Captain Kirk Captain Picard Beverly Crusher whoever it may be from across  the pantheon of Star Trek if you’re doing anything that’s going to damage  that it did that’s going to put them or  things like that in an overtly negative light that goes against what we’ve seen and what we know about these elements of Star Trek yeah that  then there will be a problem other otherwise like I said if you’re using it  to comment on societal and social issues yeah we’re not going to look we we’ve  all have a duty to Star Trek whether you’re a fan or an employee of CBS or Paramount in that respect to really honour what that creation is what Rick Berman and Gene Roddenberry and Ron Moore and Bryan fuller and all  of these amazing creators have done to create this just incredible  thing called Star Trek we’ve got a duty to  respect in and protect it

Time index – 00:55:17 – Music

{} Jordan {}

What about the music I know that there were some questions about you know people wanting to use music in their fan films

{} JVC {}

Well when it would I talk about fan films being a complex landscape this is this is one of the things that  immediately comes to mind because it  comes to mind on an on a daily basis for  us and projects that were working on  we may own Star Trek but we don’t own the rights to Star Trek music and we can’t grant those rights to fan films as  much as we might want to you know use  that opening theme whether it’s from TNG or from the original series all over the  place and get that music out there I was  listening to Star Trek music on my way here because that’s the kind of guy I am and in when we when we mentioned in the  guidelines things like new with needing  to clear any third party rights for  content in writing in the guidelines this is why we don’t control those  rights we can’t give you the rights to  the music it’s likely fans may want to utilize stuff that we can’t grant rights  to because we don’t own those rights Star Trek music is very much included in  that if you want to use Jerry Goldsmith’s Klingon themes because you  got this amazing Klingon attack that  you’re planning in your film or the  opening four tones from the TOS theme song or anything else from all the great Star Trek music you should contact the music publisher for that and secure those rights because we don’t have them  and we can grant them

{} Jordan {}

OK I think that’s all the questions I  had there were a couple of very specific  kind of weird sort of oddball questions  but I think you know as a general rule  the reason why you’ve created these  guidelines is that you don’t want to be  on the receiving end of you know what about this and what about that and what about this that you can’t do that  you know you’ve got a you’ve got a job  to do you what you were  you this is the creation of these  guidelines were more meant so that they would answer the questions for people so if there is a project that is not shooting yet that is in the process of  raising money they need to correct course a little bit and follow what you’re talking about here is  that a is that a proper way of stating  and

Time index – 00:57:28 – Run Time

{} JVC {}

That’s a fair statement and we  you know as I said earlier we try  very much to treat each use of the Star Trek Brand in each use of Star Trek on its own merits  we don’t look at everything  identically if we’ve had we’ve had  situations where we’ve been approached by a brief family or an Undertaker’s like in this guy’s last will and testament there’s this request  to put the Starfleet Delta on their  headstone we don’t even know what that  means but we know it’s from Star Trek  what do we do you know can we do  this and it’s like by all means if  someone is a is bigger fan of Star Trek  that they want to be there  the last thing the way they leave this  world than that is that’s amazing and  absolutely  here you go here’s the file for the logo  do it the best you possibly can and we’re not we’re not looking to treat  everything the same and a good part of a big part of that is what your what your intentions are with the brand and  how you’re looking to utilize it  what you’re looking to do with it so we  don’t approach everything the same again  these are these are guidelines of  participants stay within them there  should be no issues we can provide  flexibility to the degree that if you’re  looking for that variance on a few extra seconds of running timer know what want  to know what to do if you know your mom sent you five hundred dollars to add  to the budget little we don’t want to  micromanage fan projects that way we  do want to flush out what  non-commercial fan film means in a way  that’s clear and fair in an equitable everybody

Time index – 00:59:25

{} Jordan {}

And that also has to do with we spoke about earlier about who has the bigger Hollywood connections who can get an actor that known that has an affiliation with Star Trek that’s going to automatically make it seem quasi-sort of official because all that guy and he’s playing that character that is something that only a very might minus equal percentage of fan filmmakers can do and its sort of as you said earlier was it is against is an estimate of what fan films are all about

Time index – 00:59:55

{} JVC {}

And what I’m what I’m honestly  hoping will happen with the with these  guidelines with a  15 minute or 30 minute limit on this and a  fifty thousand dollar crowdfunding limit  I think it’s going to be easier for people to hit their goals quickly and  easily and get their projects underway  I think with the 15 minute limit I think with some of the things that are here is it’s going to make it easier than ever for more people to pick up cameras everybody’s walking around with a  high definition video camera in their pocket now which is it’s amazing  that that’s where we’re at you buy  computers and there’s a capable video editing software preloaded on it’s an amazing time for that what we want to do is we want to drive more films forward more fan voices not fewer we want more we want we want to see more people express their creativity for Star Trek and hopefully out of that will be able to find new ways to take advantage of this in and the sea  Star Trek continue to grow and evolve.

I’ve definitely had people express their concerns about what this means it’s a big adjustment there’s no question people have gotten people have gotten  used to full like nineteen sixties  length episodes of you know 50 minutes  plus 90minute feature films but that’s what we do we’re producing full-length episodes within and Paramount’s producing  amazing amounts of I mean they did the  budgets that are involved in a Star Trek motion picture now are beyond  anything I could you know possibly have  believed  years ago that that kind  of budget would be available to Star Trek

{} Jordan {}

And you’re still inviting people to come aboard in a very specific and ultimately fruitful way

Time index – 01:01:53 – They are watching fan films online to keep up to date, with concerns and experiences.

{} JVC {}

Absolutely and you know where we’re  definitely out there I mean  I believe me if people are saying  about fan films online web we’re aware  we’re aware  what’s going on  there’s the idea that there’s people  locked in a room somewhere and don’t  know I’m out at Star Trek Las Vegas I’ll  be a mission New York I’ll be a Destination Star Trek Europe this year  I’ll be a comic-con I’m out there this  is this is what I do I love it I live it  I’m amazed that I get paid to be a part  of it but don’t you know tell  anybody

{} Jordan {}

John analysis I’m going to give you my analysis here comes now that I’ve listened to speak for a very long time reminder I am not a CBS employee this time you and being responding to this right now here comes you ready

{} JVC {}

I’m always ready Jordan hoping it’s about to Tuvix

{} Jordan {}

A number of people who really were  loving certain productions and were  either involved as donors or just fans  of it’s going to take some adjustment  and it’s going to suck for a little while they’re going to be angry people are  angry when something that they like is that when people that people are angry anybody tells you what to do I get on the bus and somebody tells me to sit where I don’t want to say I get angry so people are going to get angry for a little while but in time fast-forward to a year from now we’re going  to have an ecosystem for fan films that  I think is going to be much better  than what we have right now and I that  there will always be some hardcore fans  that loved certain productions that  aren’t going to be continuing but I  really do think that for most people this is going  to be a very good thing and  me you know the current litigation with Axanar are there are people that are very you  now like to cause a fuss about that and you know that’s for the courts to decide  but that aside that has nothing to do with this you know you’re telling me that you’ve been in conversation with some of the creators of other bigger productions, not Axanar and there’s going to be ways for these creative people to do what they want to do in the context of these guidelines that is going to make Star Trek fan films mac 2.0 whatever you want to call it a pretty spectacular  place that’s my that’s my that’s my  statement on this guy

Time index – 01:04:28

{} JVC {}

I hope so I mean  it’s very hard for me to predict where things are going to go with groups that already have plans underway that may have cast people that under these guidelines would be you know not

{} Jordan {}

They’re going to be pissed about

{} JVC {}

Considering eligible not

{} Jordan {}

Going to hate you

{} JVC {}

Change is changing is  hard I mean I think if I were to get my  dinner table move my son to another spot  to sit down to eat his dinner he’d  probably lose his mind changes hard for  people there’s no question and  this is a big change over what people have gotten used to but what there  is to gain out of this is something amazing which is that there is a certainty where we where are the first studio in town of the first ones that are providing like look here are some guidelines for you to go out  and create in our universe without any threat and worried whatsoever that this is this is now a completely permitted  thing as long as you’re within these guidelines and that’s amazing because that’s unprecedented  no one else does that the guidelines  just don’t exist so I yeah it’s a little it’s a little scary  for us this is a big change for us this  is trailblazing and in many  respects

{} Jordan {}

If they’re if this were the episode parallels and we can look into a parallel I’ll universe there would be if you didn’t have this job but they didn’t have a guy like you working for CBS when these problems will come up there might just be something simple scrubbed so all the beat the hammer of justice comes down it and you’re there saying no that’s the last thing you want to do

{} JVC {}

If you had asked me five years ago if we  would get to the point where  we were but had guidelines that  officially permitted the use of  Star Trek  fan-filmed fan content like this I would not have believed it was something that would happen and yet here  we are and it’s happening and I  think there’s two ways to go with this you can you can look at this as a  shackles I and like well this isn’t exactly what I’ve known or like okay let’s figure out how we can use this creatively how we can use this to create a whole new frontier in and take Star Trek in new directions and new things to tell Star Trek is such a rich vast universe that you know we are I often talk to fans and they were there  are things like oh you know what would  be really cool to like you know learn something about how Starfleet medical  operates or this little story  about this one character you know what  what’s uh what’s more Dr Ben’site doing  these days or whatever it may be and  it’s like is that something that you want to do an entire season or store or  series about but probably not but is  it something that you could do a neat 15/30  minute film on and could be  really creative and really different  from anything else that’s been out there  for Star Trek absolutely and I I’m looking forward to people showing us what those are I’ve seen a couple of short Star Trek fan films online and it’s like wow that’s really cool you did  you did something neat with very  little and you created something in like 10 minutes that I was thoroughly  engaged by and  that’s amazing I mean you think  about the short films that Pixar  produces they go before their movies  and if you if you think that  that you can’t do great character  development and something really  compelling I the number of academy  awards that have gone to short films like that would belie that I mean that stuff is amazing and I often look  forward to those as much as I do the  feature like what’s the short film this  one going to be in and out like it’s really exciting

{} Jordan {}

A beautiful party saw Bob paper but was before finding Dory was beautiful was very short

{} JVC {}

I haven’t’ as it happen but I’m hoping tomorrow

Time index – 01:08:42

{} Jordan {}

I mean what why what would be the piper  of the Star Trek universe a beautiful  I you know a little picture in a frame  there well I think I think I think we’ve  said it all  so a very glad that we were able to bring you on today John because you know  it’s we want to shed some light on this on this topic because you know what  anything new pops up everybody has a lot of questions and it was important to me that people got to hear uh you know the  thinking that went behind it there will be some people that are still unhappy and there’s nothing we can do about that but I think by having many to most  people will understand what you’re  trying to do and the how compelled you are to protect the brand in this sort of new digital frontier and you know these are changing times and you know you’re reacting to that

Time index – 01:09:42

{} JVC {}

They  are changing times it is difficult there  are going to be there there’s definitely going to be shades of gray in  all of this there always are  I think that’s one of the things that  are attorneys tend to either appreciate  me for or curse me for in finding a lot of those shades of gray and you know different interpretations of things but we’re looking at this as a gas like I said a great new frontier and a great opportunity it’s something that we’ve never had before its brand new it’s going to be an adjustment for everybody involved it’s going to be it’s going to be an adjustment for me because it’s the this whole question is something that didn’t used to take up much of my time reconsideration that’s clearly going to take more of my time and consideration but the fact that there is an official permitted outlet for fans where you don’t have to concern yourself about my am I going to anger anybody if I do this it’s like they’re you’ve got a framework that you know there’s not going to be problem we’ll continue the dialogue with fans will continue seeing how everything works and where we’re very excited about where we’re at with it and I think that they’re going through

{} Jordan {}

Let me throw something at you I mean it’s a new day with this I mean in the past when people have had fan films and there have been conventions it’s kind of been like a well we can’t show it here so it’s sort of underground you know now this is all above board I know that you guys are never going to officially condone this because you can because they’re unlicensed but it’s not secretive it’s like oh this is a cool thing like you know I can talk about it I’m on the official quote unquote podcast is something really cool is out there it is something that exists mean

Time Index –01:11:38 – Official events and conventions

{} JVC {}

If you’re operating within the framework of this it’s going to open up new opportunities there’s no question at official events and conventions in the past we haven’t been able to grant permission to show fan films we haven’t been able to grant permission for fan film groups to exhibit in and fundraise for them if you’re in compliance with these that that is something that’s going to change mean whether there’s a lot of opportunities that comes along with this and that’s something that I’m very excited about because it’s going to help ramp up fan involvement and fan participation in consenting I can’t even begin to explain how

{} Jordan {}

That that isn’t that’s a really great and big point that we buried at the end of the show, John

{} JVC {}

I’m good at burying the lead man

{} Jordan {}

Well hopefully listen anybody who’s interested in this at all you listen it the whole thing either people are going to tune out in the first two minutes to listen to the whole thing so for the people that are listening to the whole thing there’s the Cherokee at the end of it at the end of the podcast there but I mean I was nothing official but I think that’s a really it’s just a new day it’s a new day for fan films and for CBS is like it’s like getting on it’s like we had an intervention it’s like we went to marriage counselling we got it all out in the open and now we’re talking about it and we have to hide and we can engage with one another we meaning the fan the fans that are making the films and the brand and the license and CBS and you know if everybody’s in compliance with these very generous guidelines then it’s all cool man it’s like it’s like Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra man it’s really great so I feel like I feel like I need I need a drink now this is a heavy-duty stuff so yeah I’m

Time Index – 01:12:00 – I just really hoping that these guidelines will help spur additional creativity

{} JVC {}

I’m incredibly excited about what’s to come I love Star Trek and everything associated with it as much if not more than then so many fans do and it’s been an incredible part of my life it’s helped shape Who I am as it has for many fans and I absolutely want to do what is best for four Star Trek as a whole both now and for the long-term health of Star Trek and I want to do the best that we possibly can be Star Trek fans who Star Trek there’s no question shows a lot to the I would put Star Trek fans against any other fan base anytime I think our fans are terrific they’re amazing and I just really hoping that these guidelines will help spur additional creativity it’s going to be different creativity but again it’s the first time that anything has existed officially like this it’s a brave new frontier and I’m looking forward to seeing what that brings it’s going to change is hard initially but I’m very excited about what’s to come I love Star Trek in all of its forms I love the technobabble I love everything about it and me just I can’t wait to see what’s next

{} Jordan {}

All right we’ll listen we’re going to cut it there are people that are going to have follow-up questions and they are you’re going to be around at the convention and you know you if people need to contact you they can they can they can figure it out they know how to get

{} JVC {}

People have already figured out

{} Jordan {}

Well listen to thanks for coming on and the next time we have you on I will be talking about other topics you know not only just new products that you guys are working on I can be the new encyclopaedia is coming out soon and but also just to talk about you know to fix and kings are and more and all the great characters that we love and John thanks again I think what you’ve done today is probably helped a lot of fans that needed more information get the info that they need

Time Index – 01:15:00 – Not intended to squash or maim creativity

{} JVC {} I hope I’ve helped to provide a little context about what we’re trying to do with this and what the guidelines actually mean that they do not intend to do, to squash or maim creativity were just hoping to guide and creativity in an in a slightly different way but a way that I think came very exciting if people seized the opportunity that presents

{} Jordan {} Cool alright man listen I’ll be seeing you in sin Las Vegas in the not too distant future

{} JVC {}   A lot sooner than I would like, A lot to do between now and then

{} Jordan {} Yes all right, live long and etc and we’ll talk to you soon.Yes all right, live long and etc and we’ll talk to you soon.Yes all right, live long and etc and we’ll talk to you soon.

{} JVC {} Okay thank you very much

{} Jordan {} you got it.

 

Comments

comments